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Re: What gilet for summer?

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 12:28pm
I snagged one of these a while back. I only paid £18 for mine but it's still good value at £22.

Clothing that you can wear both on and off the bike is useful when touring. It's not down but it packs very small and is reversible. The Yellow is handy on the bike if you want high viz.

Re: What gilet for summer?

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 11:46am
Andymiller/Sweep - padded gilet: any misunderstanding is down to my lack of description as to what I was looking for and why.

The term 'gilet' covers a lot of garment types ranging from windproof shells (like a simple anorak without sleeves) to down or synthetic filled versions.

A number of postings have suggested windproof garments alone, but in my experiences on the long Alps decents, this is not enough as the continuous chill windflow across the body (which is invariably damp from sweat created in the ascent) saps the heat away very quickly. I'm talking of descents lasting 45 minutes plus here.

So the idea with a padded (down synthetic) gilet was to provide an insulated layer to reduce the heat loss (and a gilet rather than a jacket as my arms keep warm enough but not my torso and a gilet is less bulky).

Thanks for the many suggestions which will of course serve other readers well too

Re: Advice / Touring Partner wanted for UK to Scandinavia!

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 11:21am
Here are a couple of photos from Rallarvegen. The first one is the shortest of 3 or 4 places that we had to cross snow on Rallarvegen last September. This one was the only one that I could easily photograph from far enough away to see people crossing it. This others, I went round a bend to find the path covered in snow. It probably would have been possible to ride across some parts, with studded tyres. As you can see, others had gone across and left a track. I did try riding across one section, but it was a bit slippery. I had a good laugh when I cam off into the snow

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The second is the hill going down from Vatnahalsen towards Flåm. I took this photo from the Flåmsbana train.

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Re: Advice / Touring Partner wanted for UK to Scandinavia!

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 11:06am
Upsette and Uppsete are two different places.

However, they are relatively close together. I don't think that I would try to cycle between Myrdal and Uppsete. I might consider walking it, if there wasn't too much snow up there. The Oslo-Bergen line has 4 stations on or near Rallarvegen, and all of them are accessible with bikes, even if it isn't shown that way on the map. You can also take the train from Voss. Part of the distance from Voss can be cycled, but there is one section that isn't accessible, and cyclists have to take the train.

As for tunnels, there is lots of advice on the the other threads I have linked earlier, but cyclists are banned from lots of tunnels in Norway.

Statens Vegvesen (the Norwegian Dept. for Transport) has a nice map with all the tunnels on it, and it is colour-coded about whether cyclists can use them. http://www.vegdata.no/2014/06/17/cyclin ... n-tunnels/ scroll down to almost the bottom of the page and click on the vegkart-query. This will take you to a map the shows all of the places where cyclists are banned. If it is red, or has a red circle in the middle, cyclists are banned. If it's cyan/turquoise, cyclists are allowed. If it's green, there is no value associated (we don't know if cyclists are banned).

Cycletourer also has a map http://www.cycletourer.co.uk/maps/tunnelmap.shtml The Vegevesen map is probably the most up-to-date, but Cycletourer's map has some identified as being cyclists banned, where the Statens Vegvesen map shows 'unknown', in which case I would use Cycletourer's information.

Re: Is this Justice for killing some one?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 10:49am
hatless wrote:But I also agree that driving bans are too short. Our culture seems to think that a driving ban is like being sent to Botany Bay, exclusion from society. Cyclists know that you can have a good life without a driving licence. The short bans reflect society's addiction to the car.

I agree. The driving licence is a licence, it's not a right. I think driving licences should automatically be revoked once the driver has caused a death, regardless of however accidental it was, or remorseful the driver is after the fact.

Don't we do the same with a gun licence?

Re: Is this Justice for killing some one?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 10:20am
I would argue that the first may not have been aware of the risk they were presenting, whereas the second was. I don't think you can effectively deter things people don't realise they are doing. I think you will achieve more in educating drivers about issues like seccades; the deterrence argument for severe sentencing falls on two counts in this case - firstly, that I don't think drivers are intentionally performing the act you wish to deter, and secondly, there is plenty of evidence that severity of sentence has little deterrent effect anyway; the deterrence is in likelihood of detection.

Re: Is this Justice for killing some one?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 10:17am
karlt wrote:It's a hard line to draw; with RTAs there's not necessarily any correlation between the badness of the driving and the severity of the consequences. On which factor should sentencing depend?

Take an extreme comparison.

Case 1. Driver stops at side road, looks both ways, but because seccades (http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilo ... -cyclists/) misses an oncoming motorcyclist who dies as a result of the collision;

Case 2. Driver speeding around built up area at 60mph, eventually messes up a corner and collides with a road sign. No injuries.

Now put yourself in the sentencing shoes of a judge or magistrate. The second case clearly shows far worse driving, and far less care or concern for other road users. But the first case has a far worse outcome. My personal sense of justice can't help but feel case 2 actually warrants a more severe sentence.

As a motorcyclist, I would rather that motorists looked effectively rather than in a tokenistic way that can be fooled by such a phenomenon. Seccades doesnt fool a proper look and a proper look should be an ingrained habit.
I would argue that both drivers were taking risks with others lives but the first was doing it in the same way as the majority and will be forgiven for that reason, in the interest of safety we need the majority to change its habits as that will save more lives.
Why should the majority bother changing its habits when the risks fall entirely on the victim and their position in the majority protects them from any deterrent based punishments. Even no-claims can be protected!

Re: Is this Justice for killing some one?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 10:01am
It's a hard line to draw; with RTAs there's not necessarily any correlation between the badness of the driving and the severity of the consequences. On which factor should sentencing depend?

Take an extreme comparison.

Case 1. Driver stops at side road, looks both ways, but because seccades (http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilo ... -cyclists/) misses an oncoming motorcyclist who dies as a result of the collision;

Case 2. Driver speeding around built up area at 60mph, eventually messes up a corner and collides with a road sign. No injuries.

Now put yourself in the sentencing shoes of a judge or magistrate. The second case clearly shows far worse driving, and far less care or concern for other road users. But the first case has a far worse outcome. My personal sense of justice can't help but feel case 2 actually warrants a more severe sentence.

Re: Trailer Loading

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 9:58am
I was somewhat surprised that your front wheel came up on being pushed, with the two wheel trailer it is the rear wheel that comes up (though you are normally pushing up a steep hill rather than on the flat).

This means that you have weight on your tow hitch, I would be interested to find out if moving the load's centre of mass on the trailer further back and over its wheel improved your handling.
My two wheel trailer has not ever upset me when being loaded nose heavy but the hitch is right at the axle and has no leverage on the bike.

Re: Trailer Loading

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 9:40am
Single wheel trailers are not best suited to heavy loads, they are inherently unbalanced, put stress on the frame and affect steering.

Re: Is this Justice for killing some one?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 9:16am
I too think that justice has been well served here. In particular, the remorse of the driver makes a big difference to how I feel about this. I don't feel that he got away with anything. He has his own private life sentence to live through.

Re: Is this Justice for killing some one?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 9:05am
Possibly the driving ban is too short... but he will have lost his job, and might find it very difficult to get a driving job again in the future... future employer's insurance liability would be just too great....

I don't get the bit about her having bare legs...... would bare legs have been commented on if the rider had been male and in shorts?????

Re: Appropriate words of advice ?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 9:00am
Hi,
Typical mick..........I mean that's typical Mick....................I really mean Thats very typical..................Mick.........you know what I mean

Got pulled by a plain Granada........I was supposedly pulling away.................well a bike that will do 130 in less than 1/2 a mile I would do wouldn't I Slab Granada (Ford) uphill stuggling at 55.

Anyways................twenty minutes later on the side of the road after criticising my bike attire, he says "Didn't you know it was a cop car?"
"Its got square headlights" .....................Yeh right........all Capri Granada Escorts had square headlights in the eighties...................

P.S. 70 in second in less than 4 seconds

P.P.S. Anyone else note the copper's pinky ring

Re: Appropriate words of advice ?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 8:48am
Many many yonks ago, I would "commute" at weekends from Portsmouth to Lancashire. Mrs Mick F wasn't a Mrs then, just a Miss.
250miles each way in a Mini Van.

I would leave on a Sunday evening about 9pm and drive M6/M5 and across along the A roads ........... well before bypasses and dual carriageways. I would drive through the towns, and one night - in the wee small hours of Monday, I was passing through Cirencester. In those days, there were hardly any street lights.

As I turned right onto the road out, I saw a couple of people walking facing in my direction. One of them had a torch and it bobbed up and down as they walked.

I passed by, and as I did, I realised they were coppers and I saw them in my rear view mirror turning round and shining their torch directly at me.

I stopped. The coppers ran up to me and told me off for not stopping!
"Didn't you see me flashing my torch for you to stop?"
"I saw your torch well enough, but it's dark, you're wearing dark clothes, and all I saw was two men walking with a torch. I had no idea you were policemen or even wanted me to pull over."

They had no answer to that!
I was 19years old, and a cheeky confident sod.

Any road up, they checked me out, looked over my car, checked the tax disc, checked my tyres ........ and wanted to know why the tyres were very warm. I explained I'd just come down from Lancashire down the motorways having done over 100miles non-stop.

They made some notes, and then allowed me to go.

Porlex mini-grinder mod (coffee)

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 8:31am
For those that travel with the Porlex mini grinder, I've found this little mod holds the upper burr firmly in place giving a much smoother coffee grind. And subsequently a much smoother tasting and far more consistently tasting coffee.

Re: Appropriate words of advice ?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 8:18am
Manc33 wrote:I probably slowed to let it do that and it didn't go past me so I carried on. It hard to remember 15 years ago.

In that case I'd assume it's me they'd wish to talk too,even if I hadn't done anything wrong.

Re: What gilet for summer?

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 5:35am
bikes4two wrote:Thanks for the suggestions so far. My apologies for not making myself clear in the original posting in that I'm considering a padded gilet to go under a waterproof top, not one of those lightweight gilet that are like thin anoraks with the arms cut off
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Not quite sure what you mean by a padded gilet.

Would a light fleece gilet be of interest?

If so, I may be able to point you in the direction of something.

Re: Appropriate words of advice ?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 5:03am
I probably slowed to let it do that and it didn't go past me so I carried on. It hard to remember 15 years ago.

Re: Advice / Touring Partner wanted for UK to Scandinavia!

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 April 2016 - 12:11am
And thanks I was a bit confused why the cycle route had a missing part between Arna to Dale. So that helps knowing you can't cycle on it. I went on google streetview before and noticed there was a tunnel, just assumed that you were still allowed through it (just not advised).

Even if they were I still wouldn't go down them because the one legal tunnel on a cycle route I passed through with some traffic was frankly terrifying! (I passed through so many tunnels on my trip and I was the only one in the tunnel on all but 2 occasions - part luck part the cycle routes are generally good at keeping you away from traffic) I felt so vulnerable in it, the noise from any passing traffic is unreal. It sounds a bit extreme and I thought so before when other people mentioned it but now I understand. (Some of the motor vehicle only ones are 5km+ long).

Another tunnel problem I had was when my front light failed and I got stuck because I was on a smaller road with a fairly long unlit tunnel. Long enough to be pitch black and I tried and failed a couple of times to go through because I simply couldn't see a thing lol. I'd would have had to walk, feeling my way along the rock and was worried it could be dangerous in the event of an oncoming truck or something as there was a bend in it and it was skinny (tunnel just outside Skjolden on route 6). In the end I waited about 40 mins and flagged down a car, the driver of which was kind enough to drive behind me with his main beam on so I could cycle through. (He was then even kinder to be waiting for me to help me through the next tunnel further up the road!)

Also didn't expect the Rallarvegen to be closed in July. Would you recommend going later in August instead? Although I've heard the summer season ends earlier there... so not sure if that would be worth it.

As another has said last year was an unusually bad summer (typical for me!) so I'd take my chance with this because it's a nice traffic free ride.

I'll ask (if you don't mind) at this point: http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=14&la ... yers=B0000 between Mydral and Upsete at the west side of the Rallarvegen there is another gap. My research has shown you need to go by train for this section, although I see a small path route on that map (probably a stupid idea to attempt lol). You seem to have went north from Mydral to Flam (which I would quite like to check out also), so not sure if you would know about the Mydral to Upsette line. Just worried that I might have to book said train in advance or wait 5 hours or something as it seems like a very remote station.

You are correct. I met other cyclists who had taken this small seemingly mysterious train that stops at Upsette but you you're right it is a small station where a stopping train is not super regular so you'd probably want to know the timetable in advance for that one and plan your day accordingly. Myrdral on the other hand is also a stop for the Oslo-Bergen main line and hoards of tourists change here to take the tourist train down to Flam. I don't know about those tracks you see. I met some pretty determined cyclists last year when the Rallarvegen was snowed under and yet I didn't meet any that even discussed that as a possible route for what it's worth but I honestly don't know.

You are also correct with my route - I went down to Flam (nice ride) where I got the ferry to Balestand. The ferries are useful (they stop at a lot of places, you can even do Bergen-Flam) and add all sorts of options but not that cheap hence I took one of the shortest possible routes but it was still fun and cool to see the fjords from the water.

Also did you bring any hard maps with you (if yes, do you might me asking which ones)? I have a Garmin which I will load the cycle routes on. But I don't particularly want to be too reliant on it considering there probably will be a limited number of places that I could buy Double A batteries from.

Just took my phone (android) and used an app called viewranger where you can use opencyclemap maps so couldn't really go wrong (although I still managed it once or twice, doh!). Phone was charged with front hub but not a cheap solution unfortunately. In the past (before I had the hub) I have just taken a load of spare batteries for my phone. Much cheaper but you'll need power every now and then to charge them all! I recorded all my routes so have all the GPX files if you are interested (from that you can figure out where I camped etc if you are bothered).

Do you mind if I send you any more questions closer to the date if I can think of any burning ones ?

No probs

Have you got any pictures / videos of you journey? Would be interested in looking at them if you had, but don't feel you have to go out of you way to share them.

I PM'd a link to all my pics. here's a few anyway (I do have a few vids somewhere as well):

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Track down to Flam.

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Rallarvagen

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Rallervagen approaching Finse

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Old road around a tunnel. Often as a cyclist you are guided around tunnels on the original pre-tunnel roads which are way more interesting.

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Climb on route 3 not far from Balestrand

Re: Is this Justice for killing some one?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 23 April 2016 - 12:08am
Yes, I think this is justice, if they both cried together and the grieving husband spoke up for the careless offender. A beautiful story.

But I also agree that driving bans are too short. Our culture seems to think that a driving ban is like being sent to Botany Bay, exclusion from society. Cyclists know that you can have a good life without a driving licence. The short bans reflect society's addiction to the car.
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