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Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 11:12am
Bez wrote:I'm just amused by the statements to the effect that it's all wild conjecture—that "we will not know", and that "all the tools of forensic science cannot get us any further forward"—followed immediately by the conjecture that the entirely unreported "severity" of the crash was "enough to make a helmet useless".



Bez: where are you on this? I probably accept what you are saying.

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 11:11am
climo wrote:I said 'Your choice of course'. That isn't preaching.

Well, if I were to say "I ate at the Dog and Duck and got terrible food poisoning which I certainly wouldn't have got if I hadn't gone there. Your choice, of course…" I think it sounds just a bit preachy about the food at the Dog and Duck, doesn't it?

climo wrote:Please don't dismiss my experience as irrelevant as you weren't there.

I don't wish to dismiss it as irrelevant, it's not at all (certainly not to you or your views on the matter, though it may well be to this specific incident). I just wanted to point out that if you say "I had a horrendous head injury which would certainly have been mitigated or even eliminated had I been wearing a helmet. Your choice, of course…" then I think it sounds just a bit preachy.

climo wrote:I would be interesting to know if the percentage of head injuries is rising at the same rate as the amount of people cycling.

That doesn't make sense. Do you mean "if the number of head injuries is rising at the same rate as the number of people cycling"? (Which would make sense and would be a reasonable start, but would still be flawed due to not differentiating where and how people ride.)

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 11:08am
eileithyia wrote:All conjecture of course, if they had not been to the pub... perhaps they might not have crashed..... or had better control of their bikes.... etc etc etc... we could go on and on with the theme of what ifs.......

On those issues (the what ifs) we may already be able to draw some reasonable, even if personal, conclusions. On the helmet issue, I live in some sort of dreamland where two men in white coats and tape measures and various other tools actually verify whether a helmet would have been useful. Is it case of we cannot know or simply will not know? Does the science in any practical form exist should the will be there to use it?

Re: Commute to train then walk other end:rucksack/panniers-

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 10:50am
In the days when I cycled in different clothes from those I work in, I used to keep my suit and ties at the office - and even a spare pair of shoes for when I'd got those really soaked on the way in. That way you only have to carry more limited amounts of clothing that might fit in a briefcase pannier. If that is an option for you?

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 9:58am
horizon wrote:My guess is that we will not know - we will be back to conjecture.

Understood.

horizon wrote:My own view is that the crash was severe enough to make a helmet useless

Buh? *rubs eyes*

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 9:55am
climo wrote:I'm not trying to preach or even trying to restart that intractable debate.

Understood.

climo wrote:I had a horrendous head injury (not cycling) which would certainly have been mitigated or even eliminated had I been wearing a helmet. Having seen what happened to me (paralysed, 2.5 years in rehab, blah, blah) all my friends wear helmets. Your choice of course but…

Buh? *rubs eyes*

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 9:51am
climo wrote:Hate to ask this but was he wearing a helmet? If not and being a head injury would one have helped him?

I think it's a good question and ideally this thread should be moved to the Helmets section where it can be discussed fully.

It was certainly on my mind. Here we have a tragic accident but one that was witnessed, could be carefully calibrated and didn't involve a vehicle. Had this been an air or train crash it would be thoroughly investigated. If it won't be or cannot be then we are none the wiser.

My guess climo is that we will not know - we will be back to conjecture. It is a shame that all the tools of forensic science cannot get us any further forward. My own view is that the crash was severe enough to make a helmet useless but that is only opinion.

My biggest fear is that a coroner will suggest that had he been wearing a helmet he would have survived (based on nothing more than personal speculation).

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

Spaine70 wrote:...
What I need to know is how do I download the GPX and then export it into a mapping app that I can use on the bike for navigation...
Whilst I think MapOut the best (I've tried several but obviously not all), one thing it does not do is give turn by turn directions and no voice instructions like turn right at the next roundabout" sort of thing.

It can take your gpx and draw it over a map as in .

And remember, you can get a refund on AppStore apps if you report an problem to Apple with a limited time frame. Just Google refund iphone app and plenty of places telling you what to do. It use to be one of the weaknesses of buying apps through AppStore that you could not try 1st to check if it meets your needs. It was a good move when Apple changed their practices.

Ian

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 9:42am
climo wrote:Hate to ask this but was he wearing a helmet? If not and being a head injury would one have helped him?

1. Reports are not definitive but at least one suggests not (references here).
2. Maybe, maybe not.

Can we start asking the same question of people who die of (or otherwise suffer) head injuries in cars and on foot, please?

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

Thank you both for your advice. I think MapOut sounds like the app I will be using in Holland. I will download it this evening and start uploading the GPX files and see how it goes.

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 9:08am
That's daft. I think it's a fair question and no doubt will occur to others. I'm not trying to preach or even trying to restart that intractable debate.

I had a horrendous head injury (not cycling) which would certainly have been mitigated or even eliminated had I been wearing a helmet. It has totally changed my life. Having seen what happened to me (paralysed, 2.5 years in rehab, blah, blah) all my friends wear helmets. Your choice of course but please don't try to belittle other peoples questions and viewpoints.

Re: Commute to train then walk other end:rucksack/panniers-

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 8:53am
Ortleib do a rucksac convertor for their regular panniers. Rolls up when not in use.

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 8:51am
Would it have helped the woman who bruised her leg if she had been wearing motorcycling leathers? Would it have helped if they had all been on recumbents and falling off feet first? Would it have been better if they had all stayed at home?

There are many questions we could ask, and they all reveal a theory or two, and in some cases an axe to grind.

Re: Cyclist killed in three-rider collision in Lancashire

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 18 May 2016 - 8:39am
Hate to ask this but was he wearing a helmet? If not and being a head injury would one have helped him?

Re: Gas cannisters in Holland and Belgium

You should be able to find Primus (threaded) cartridges in outdoor stores. If you are passing a big town/city just do a google search for outdoor stores in that town. In Holland I found the Beaver chain of stores useful (http://www.bever.nl/index.cfm/fuseaction/main.shops).

However I also recommend getting the Edelrid Cartridge adaptor for Camping Gaz (http://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/ ... aptor-p454). IME CampingGaz is more widespread in Europe and they have a useful store locator, which works all across Europe, where you can find stockists.

You can probably find them for sale at larger campsites but they do tend to have a high markup.....

Re: Gas cannisters in Holland and Belgium

If all else fails there's Decathlon:

http://www.decathlon.nl/gasvulling-powe ... 38931.html

(although hopefully they have larger sizes as well).

But given the number of Dutch people you meet in campsites around Europe there must be lots of other camping goods shops.

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

I've got Maps.me android app on my phone, also works on IoS. Download mapping for the area you're travelling to before you go, best over wifi given the size of the maps and then uses GPS to navigate whilst travelling and, Googlemaps offers offline areas too.

http://maps.me/en/home

Re: Long touring without front panniers

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 May 2016 - 11:43pm
FarOeuf wrote:
I would assume when the whole pannier idea was brand new lots of people made very similar (dogmatic) arguments about why they were the devils invention, not least that putting all that weight over the rear wheel (in addition to the rider) was sheer lunacy. But the world kept turning when panniers and racks came along. Now some people are experimenting with soft bags in the pre-pannier style, the world continues to turn. I really don't understand why people get upity/dismissive about strapping a bag onto a bike, I mean people have been doing it for decades...it's hardly a new idea.



I became fixed on four panniers when I loaded up my Super Galaxy twenty years ago with full camping gear and yomped along the A38 in the sunshine: it just felt completely right. I had loads of space, nothing flapped, the bike was as solid as a rock, I knew where all my stuff was, steering untouchable, the centre of gravity of the low-riders beautifully low. 20 kg safely stowed and problem sorted 100%.

I recognise that people have other needs, concerns, requirements - and solutions. But this was a pretty major milestone and one that requires a lot of beating.

Re: New Route Planner

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 May 2016 - 10:53pm
gloomyandy wrote:The biggest was that it routed me to a dual carriageway from a side road. The route wanted me to turn right, but the junction was left turn only. I guess that is a mapping error?

What do the route instructions say? they will sometimes specify "on foot" if the routing decides there isn't a practical alternative that is rideable.

The other issue was that the route choice falls into the "Sustrans trap" of wanting to route you on small roads whenever it can. In my case it wanted me to turn right of a main road to travel 100m or so along a parallel side road before making another right turn back onto the main road! I'd noticed this when I created the route and fixed a few of them, but I must have missed this one. I think this may happen when you drag the route rather then using the original route selection, but I may be wrong!
Yes it can be a bit like that. The latest routing algorithm is much better. The old one I could get literally going round in circles trying to route onto back streets to avoid a "busy" road! There was one bit in Chester (ironically the road with three of the city's bike shops along it) where the old algorithm could make a 1/2 mile direct route into 2.5 miles that still turned on and off the main road as I added via points to try to get it to go where I wanted!

Rick.

Re: New Route Planner

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 May 2016 - 10:52pm
Glad it was (mostly) a success!

I'm guessing the turn was probably a mapping error - if you let me know which turn it was then I can take a look. It might well be the issue Bicycler highlighted where a particular type of turn restriction isn't recognised by OSRM (the underlying engine that cycle.travel uses).

Fussy on-then-off routes are a difficult one to solve. It's less keen on them than it was before - with the most recent update, I made the routes more "sticky", so that once it's on a particular route it has a bias to keeping on it. But if it's a busy road it'll still try to spend as little time on it as possible. I suspect the solution here might be to really penalise right turns onto busy roads.

I'll put it on the to-do list. But not quite yet - I've been working on a fun new feature today which hopefully will be ready before too long...
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