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Re: 2016 Days without incident

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 2 February 2016 - 10:37am
Postboxer wrote:Also, factor out motorway miles, which are safest per mile for driving but cyclists aren't allowed so not fair to be in the comparison.

Yes, the more you think about it the less easy it is to compare. I used to cycle to work at a place where I was the only regular cycle commuter. Everyone else arrived by car. Including one of my best friends, who was overweight and suffering with his health. Yes, on his actual journey to work he may have been less at risk from harm caused by other road users, but the major risk factor, for him, is his lack of physical fitness. For him the danger from cycling would be minor in comparison. He once joked that the only thing more dangerous than cycling is not cycling!

I really believe that if 100,000 people started cycling to work (having never done it before) the number of lives saved through increased fitness and the avoidance of illness would be greater than the lives lost through accidents on the road. Much greater.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 2 February 2016 - 10:33am
pwa wrote:Prosecution with that evidence would seem so straightforward, unless there is uncertaintly about who was driving. I'd be surprised if this story doesn't have more to come.
I think it's more "can't be bothered".
Had the Volvo passed a yellow box at 36mph without hurting anyone they'd have been all over it like a bad rash and a prosecution and points would have ensued no problem.
That nothing happens when someone is injured (and apparently deliberately) shows at the very least the shortcomings of the system and potentially is an indication that it's 'not fit for purpose'.

We should expect better.

Re: 2016 Days without incident

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 2 February 2016 - 10:27am
Also, factor out motorway miles, which are safest per mile for driving but cyclists aren't allowed so not fair to be in the comparison.

Re: Critiques of routes for touring

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 February 2016 - 10:14am
Annoying Twit wrote:.......................I have looked at routes through Overbury, so I'll go back and look at that again, and avoid the B4080...........

Richard is right about the B4080 - you do get the occasional speeder - but it is really a fairly quiet and pleasant road. I use it often ('cos I live on it!) so I'd certainly use it if it gives you the route you want. All the routes around Bredon Hill are well used by cyclists and local motorists are expecting them. The route around the north of the hill is a nice ride - a couple of short sharp climbs but some views to compensate.

Re: Best way to the Alps

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 February 2016 - 10:02am
I cycled to Geneva via Le Havre a few years ago (starting from here made bypassing Paris easier), and in Burgundy limited hills and traffic by doing about 100 miles along the Burgundy Canal. At that time the towpath on the second half was better for bikes than the first, but I think there were plans for improvements. I also enjoyed ending via the Col de La Faucille, a 1000m climb through the Jura where you end up above Geneva with a magnificent view of the main Alps including Mont Blanc. If you want further info on any of this, email me donaldhirschparis@gmail.com

Re: First European cycle tour suggestions

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 February 2016 - 9:18am
Thanks all. Booked Portsmouth - St Malo over night ferry. Plan is to get train to Nantes then drift up the ev6, taking each day as it comes and finding campsite space where we want to stay with no fixed reservations.

I can imagine the freshly baguettes, coffee's sat in warm riverside café and the half carrafe of wine with lunch now.

Re: British driver wipes out Pro riders

Cycling UK Forum - Racing - 2 February 2016 - 9:06am
Could also be a hefty insurance claim, and that's just for the bikes. Don't know how they'll figure out loss of earnings though.

Re: New Route Planner

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 February 2016 - 9:05am
Richard Fairhurst wrote:cursing Javascript...
Well, it looks very neat now.

Thanks.

Re: 2016 Days without incident

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 2 February 2016 - 5:59am
Yes, it's far less scary, it's much less stressful I find driving a car very much less risky than cycling. To be safe and to ensure those around you are safe it takes less overall effort/thinking than cycling because other motor vehicles won't act the same compared to when I'm on a bike. People are invariably predictable when you're driving, when you're cycling people are less predictable, their behaviour varies massively from second to second. You are far less able to control your environment/other road users (despite riding defensively and in accordance with the accepted methods of controlling your environ) even less so without fear/threat of harm..
'We' keep denying that cycling is high risk or dangerous when mixing with motorised traffic but the evidence is there.

Of course there are other health benefits, of course other activities have similar or even higher death tolls(but tea cosy wearing isn't anything to do with travel/outdoor activity whose risk factor is measured and accepted as such in distance travelled) So,. per billion miles travelled and that mostly involves being on a rosd/interacting with other 'traffic'/road users the risk of death/injury through cycling is massively more than being in a car by the accepted method of measuring (on this forum and by those doing the studies worldwide at least)

The stats define the risk of injury/death NOT lifespan or increased health benefits.
It highlights the huge disparity in safety for cyclists compared to the most popular mode of transport and that needs addressing in a big way rather than the ineffectual ways we currently do that have negligible impact on the safety of cyclists
We need to stop kidding ourselves that anything really useful has being done to change the status quo..it really hasn't!

Re: First European cycle tour suggestions

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 February 2016 - 2:18am
Was, probably still am, a complete newbie to cycle touring... me and the girl did a bit of the velodyssey .. from Nantes to La Rochelle last summer. (Ferry: Plymouth - Roscoff, train from Morlaix to Nantes). It was bliss, no day to day planning required as you can't cycle more than an hour along the route without finding a campsite. We went peak holiday season and never had trouble finding space at a campsite- cost usually about 14euros a night for the two of us. Great food & wine.. some good surfing on the Atlantic coast too..

Re: lighting in Germany

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 February 2016 - 2:04am
There are international conventions about cross-border traffic, and as a foreign visitor you only have to meet the internationally agreed minimum, not the local regulations.
That's a brake, a white front light, a red back light, a rear reflector, and a bell.
It's on the main CTC site somewhere - I can never find the link so I have to google
http://www.ctc.org.uk/cyclists-library/ ... al-traffic

Summary: if you don't have a bell, put one on.

Re: WESTERN ISLES

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 February 2016 - 1:21am
I went 4-12th June last year, and had good weather (Oban - Barra - Tarbert - Uig - Mallaig - Ardnamurchan - Mull - Oban).
I should have started 4 days sooner, but I'd been watching the rain radar and weather forecasts and delayed to let it blow through.

Re: touring and flying with hydraulic disc brakes

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 2 February 2016 - 12:51am
andymiller wrote:I currently use Avid BB7s with 203mm discs. Which is probably over-kill, but I'm happy.

160's are big enough for a solo.
We have 203's on the tandem and it stops PDQ with an all up weight of 180kgs including the bike and day bag.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 2 February 2016 - 12:33am
karlt wrote:661-Pete wrote:Attempted murder. No other way to describe it.

You think the intent was specifically to kill?

There are more subtle ways to tickle a cyclist. Using a 2 ton suv isn't one of them.

Re: Slow riders?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 2 February 2016 - 12:15am
I average 10mph (including stops) or 12mph rolling speed on Audaxes. Longest one I have done so far was 131km (including unscheduled diversions aka wrong turns - official distance was 123km). I am usually last or just before last but as there are no records kept of places or speeds on Audax, who cares! I am getting value for money

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 2 February 2016 - 12:03am
Shocking, can't think of another way of describing it.

What would the chances be of a private prosecution getting a result for the cyclist?

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 1 February 2016 - 11:44pm
661-Pete wrote:Attempted murder. No other way to describe it.

You think the intent was specifically to kill?

Re: WESTERN ISLES

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 February 2016 - 11:21pm
TrevA wrote:We did the Inner Hebrides last May. I think it rained almost every day and I was in full winter gear most of the time, with Goretex on top in the rain. So long as you dress for the weather, it's not too bad. Can be quite windy but I don't think I saw a single midge.
Last May was unusually bad.
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