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Re: Dogs on cycle paths - how many where you live?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 4 April 2016 - 11:10am
arnsider wrote:You have the alternative of cycling on the road.
You need to slow right down and you must have a bell.
You are never going to alter the situation so pragmatism and tolerance are the only way forward.
Cyclists don't need opponents if we defeat ourselves like that! We can alter the situation and we must.

At the moment, if anyone complains about anti-cycling misbehaviour on cycle tracks, the old trope "you have the alternative of cycling on the road" is trotted out, but if you complain about anti-cycling misbehaviour on the carriageway, you get the old trope "you have the alternative of cycling on the cycle tracks". That's the "dual network", it's holding cycling down and it's time to change it: both cycle tracks and many carriageways should form part of one integrated universally-cyclable network.

And yes, this will probably mean building footways alongside busier cycle tracks for walkers and pet animals...

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 11:10am
It's no more terrorism than drinking cider in the sewers is suicide.

As a user group we often have a hard enough time being taken seriously, and making ridiculous claims does nothing to make an ambivalent society pay us any more attention. It's a stupid, dangerous criminal act, nothing more, and that's bad enough without seeking to put it on the same legal footing as the activities of ISIS.

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 11:10am
It's no more terrorism than drinking cider in the sewers is suicide.

As a user group we often have a hard enough time being taken seriously, and making ridiculous claims does nothing to make an ambivalent society pay us any more attention. It's a stupid, dangerous criminal act, nothing more, and that's bad enough without seeking to put it on the same legal footing as the activities of ISIS.

Re: Dogs on cycle paths - how many where you live?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 4 April 2016 - 11:05am
climo wrote:My dogs are often walked on a shared use path. Many cyclists are a real problem there as they approach silently from behind at speed and passing the pedestrian (with or without dog) far too close for comfort. It seems to be some sort of sport. A reasonable call of 'Slow down' results in a bad tempered look or abuse from the cyclists. The police are aware but can't do anything.
Do you stand alongside other highways shouting at their users to slow down, or is there something special about cyclists that makes you think their journeys are fair game to be slowed by ill-behaved dog owners?

As for passing silently from behind! Many times, I've rung my bell as I approach a dog and owner and the dogs hear, look up and react (mostly by staying) more often than the owners. I don't mind if someone wants to walk on a cycle track as long as they don't aggressively expect all other users to go at walking speed and maybe, if their hearing's rubbish, it would be a good idea to look behind frequently to see what's approaching?
Most dogs are off the lead but then why shouldn't they be? It is, after all, a well known dog walking area.
Because it's a highway and http://highwaycode.info/rule/56 says they should be kept on a short lead. If you want to let a dog run free, go to open spaces, or even specific dog exercise areas now found in many towns and villages. If you let a pet run amok on highways, it may end unhappily. At least bikes kill fewer dogs than cars.

Re: Which bit of the North Coast 500 in 5-7 Days?

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 4 April 2016 - 9:31am
If you do go via Applecross don't just rush on through. The campsite there is great (as is the pub) and the entire area is rather special and well worth spending a little time exploring (especially after all that effort to get there!).

Re: Hand-Built Wheels - Expectations

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 4 April 2016 - 9:20am
I've bought wheels from Hewitt, speaking to him over the phone, and he was very pleasant to deal with. He was happy to talk about components, and he even told me not to waste money on Dura Ace hubs when Ultegras were just as good for the application I had in mind. The wheels arrived after about a week and are still in good nick. And not even very expensive.

I've used Spa as well, and their wheels are also very reliable. But they don't like to consider components that they don't normally use. Mavic rims, for example.

Re: Which bit of the North Coast 500 in 5-7 Days?

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 4 April 2016 - 9:19am
I've spent a lot of time studying this route although having cycled the roads to/from Tongue, Thurso, JOG, Inverness, on numerous occasions. I am concentrating more on Applecross to Durness where there is sparse accommodation/shops/facilities etc. and it will probably be the hilliest section of the NC500. It will also be the most rewarding for you and if you can stretch to 50 miles a day and a 7-day tour you could make Inverness to Thurso in 7 days where you have train arrivals and departures.

For example: Inverness to Lochcarron; LC to Torridon (via Applecross); T to Laide; L to Ullapool; U to Scourie - a longer day!; S to Tongue (via Durness); and finally Tongue to Thurso: that will give you a good 7-day tour. Or, I believe there might be a bus from Tongue back to Inverness that you can take your bike with you?

I can't help you with accommodation as I have planned on camping for my trip - I am setting off at the end of next week, but for once will not be taking my iPad, so I'm not expecting to be on line or emails - I'm trying to save weight to get over the Bealach with my heavier tent etc. - I am intending to extend it to the Orkney's and Shetlands as I've never been there before and seldom get the chance.

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 8:59am
Tangled Metal wrote:Anglers did something similar on the river Lune near Lancaster using fishing line across the river with hooks dangling from it at head height. That was on a stretch the local riparian rights owners had agreed access for the John o'Gaunt rowing club and the university rowing club. A lass from the uni club got a badly cut up around or actually on the face. The local sports club (fishing club plus other sports like drinking in the clubhouse) who own the rights knew the culprits and the boss of the coppers increasing was a member of the club apparently. Got all this from a member of the club. Seems the guys who did it were joking about it among other club members in the clubhouse clubhouse bar just before the lass got injured. Senior copper said no further action was being taken.

If the culprits ever get found out I bet nothing will come of it. Landowners and fishing right owners are protected by the police not out groups like cyclists, rowers and canoeists.
...and as a counterpoint to your final para, which is an inference too far IMHO, I also fish and have seen very similar views expressed equally earnestly by anglers in terms of their lack of protection by the police. Everyone's convinced that their rights are insufficiently respected

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 8:59am
Tangled Metal wrote:Anglers did something similar on the river Lune near Lancaster using fishing line across the river with hooks dangling from it at head height. That was on a stretch the local riparian rights owners had agreed access for the John o'Gaunt rowing club and the university rowing club. A lass from the uni club got a badly cut up around or actually on the face. The local sports club (fishing club plus other sports like drinking in the clubhouse) who own the rights knew the culprits and the boss of the coppers increasing was a member of the club apparently. Got all this from a member of the club. Seems the guys who did it were joking about it among other club members in the clubhouse clubhouse bar just before the lass got injured. Senior copper said no further action was being taken.

If the culprits ever get found out I bet nothing will come of it. Landowners and fishing right owners are protected by the police not out groups like cyclists, rowers and canoeists.
...and as a counterpoint to your final para, which is an inference too far IMHO, I also fish and have seen very similar views expressed equally earnestly by anglers in terms of their lack of protection by the police. Everyone's convinced that their rights are insufficiently respected

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 8:46am
I don't know how you can rule it out as terrorism so definitely. There are 109 definitions of terrorism from national and international organizations. Different parts of the UN can't even agree a definition.

Looking into it there are a number of sources of definitions that allow for terrorism too include actions that put the public or sections of the public in a state of fear. Even the 2000 terrorism act has something similar in a subsection. If you're riding a trail, at an enjoyable speed, with the knowledge of past incidents of barbed wire across the trail I'm sure that has some effect on you and I'm sure if you encountered it you'd get hurt. That very incident would create fear among the cyclists that use that trail.

Personally I think it is a very fine line in deciding whether it is terrorism. Personal opinion perhaps. You cannot just rule it out based on your personal definition or a basic, general definition that is more political than honest IMHO. Definitions of terrorism is a highly political thing in modern world. The term is highly emotive and has accordingly been exploited for political or ideological gain by governments. The whole idea it must be political at its core is a political construct that benefits the state.

Ho hum! All I can say is you'll never get me using a trail known to have anonymous actors carrying out planned traps aimed at fellow humans. Despicable acts and to be condemned no matter what term you use.

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 8:46am
I don't know how you can rule it out as terrorism so definitely. There are 109 definitions of terrorism from national and international organizations. Different parts of the UN can't even agree a definition.

Looking into it there are a number of sources of definitions that allow for terrorism too include actions that put the public or sections of the public in a state of fear. Even the 2000 terrorism act has something similar in a subsection. If you're riding a trail, at an enjoyable speed, with the knowledge of past incidents of barbed wire across the trail I'm sure that has some effect on you and I'm sure if you encountered it you'd get hurt. That very incident would create fear among the cyclists that use that trail.

Personally I think it is a very fine line in deciding whether it is terrorism. Personal opinion perhaps. You cannot just rule it out based on your personal definition or a basic, general definition that is more political than honest IMHO. Definitions of terrorism is a highly political thing in modern world. The term is highly emotive and has accordingly been exploited for political or ideological gain by governments. The whole idea it must be political at its core is a political construct that benefits the state.

Ho hum! All I can say is you'll never get me using a trail known to have anonymous actors carrying out planned traps aimed at fellow humans. Despicable acts and to be condemned no matter what term you use.

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 8:29am
Lance Dopestrong wrote:Simply instilling terror in someone is not terrorism.
Instilling terror,terrorising is terrorism.
If you want to argue over the reasons and academic meaning of the word terrorism,play away.
I won't give you an argument,but I'll still say stringing barbed wire across a trail is an attempt at terrorising others which amounts to terrorism in my book.
YVMV.

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 8:29am
Lance Dopestrong wrote:Simply instilling terror in someone is not terrorism.
Instilling terror,terrorising is terrorism.
If you want to argue over the reasons and academic meaning of the word terrorism,play away.
I won't give you an argument,but I'll still say stringing barbed wire across a trail is an attempt at terrorising others which amounts to terrorism in my book.
YVMV.

Re: Barbed Wire Trap set on trail in Kent

Cycling UK Forum - MTB - 4 April 2016 - 8:08am
Simply instilling terror in someone is not terrorism.

Re: Cycling in groups

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 4 April 2016 - 8:08am
It strikes me that unless the group is well matched in terms of fitness, trying to stay in a group will be impossible.
CTC and other groups on the road are regulars in group discipline.
I doubt if that is your case.
People unused to long distances and sustained effort will split up and the stragglers will loose heart.
Try holding back the fitter ones and it will lead to impatience and frustration.
Best of luck with that!

Re: Dogs on cycle paths - how many where you live?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 4 April 2016 - 7:58am
We have a lot of Canal Tow Path and Former Railways where I live.
Inevitably there will be walkers with children and dogs.
I think we need to take a view on a situation that was never going to be ideal.
You have the alternative of cycling on the road.
You need to slow right down and you must have a bell.
You are never going to alter the situation so pragmatism and tolerance are the only way forward.
We can all trot out examples of near misses, belligerent dog owners etc etc ad nauseam, but it will never change the facts.
Walkers , Children and indeed Dogs need space too.

Dogs on cycle paths - how many where you live?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 4 April 2016 - 5:54am
recumbentpanda wrote:Heltor Chasca wrote:I was in the 2 Tunnels near Bath yesterday. Scores of families out on their bikes without lights.

BUT there was also a dog walker with his terrier off the lead AND the damn thing had no lights either. [emoji849]

I really don't see the need for lights in the two tunnels - the installed lighting is perfectly adequate, and bright cycle lights just dazzle and annoy. If you need other cyclists (or dogs!) to have lights in there, then my feeling is you are going too fast anyway.

I agree you don't need to fly through like some of the roadies. However I completely disagree on lights. Cyclists take enough cop for supposedly not being considerate to other shared path users. Even at 10 mph, 2 bikes smashing into each other is going to hurt. Some of the ramblers going through are elderly and don't need to be injured.

Be sensible, considerate and light up. How difficult can it be?

EDIT: FWIW I followed a recumbent, south through the tunnels on Saturday who was part of a group of leisure cyclists. The way was clear and it was doing 15-20 mph easily. It was a fast machine. Was that you?

EDIT 2: I almost always get thanked by walkers for pinging my bell. I think bells are polite and choose to fit them on all our bikes. I have also adjusted my headlamp so no walker or cyclist gets dazzled. I can't adjust it any further to accommodate the riding position on a bent. Impossible on most bikes to do and something you laid back riders will have to put up with should we cross paths in the dark. Sorry.

Re: Dogs on cycle paths - how many where you live?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 3 April 2016 - 10:27pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:I was in the 2 Tunnels near Bath yesterday. Scores of families out on their bikes without lights.

BUT there was also a dog walker with his terrier off the lead AND the damn thing had no lights either. [emoji849]

I really don't see the need for lights in the two tunnels - the installed lighting is perfectly adequate, and bright cycle lights just dazzle and annoy. If you need other cyclists (or dogs!) to have lights in there, then my feeling is you are going too fast anyway.

Re: Hand-Built Wheels - Expectations

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 3 April 2016 - 10:07pm
irc wrote:Thanks for the update. I'm going to be buying a new rear wheel soon. So I'll consider using Hewitt. Either them or Spa.

He's a long way from you down on the South coast but my recommendation for hand built wheels is Harry Rowland. He knows what he's doing.
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