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Re: First cycle tour - kit advice

andymiller wrote:Take what you'd take for backpacking. Simple as that. (OK add in an inner tube or two, bike pump and allen keys etc).


You seem to have 2 potential baggage issues.
- Not enough capacity in luggage carriers - easy to check, just pack everything and see if it fits
- Balance on bikes caused by all weight at rear. As gloomyandy suggests, do a trial run. This does't need to involve an overnight camp, though that would be better; the main point is to load everything including child on the bikes and ride for a reasonable distance - approx. what you expect your daily mileage to be. Make sure you have a bail-out option in case you've misjudged.

The biggest problem I find with a lot of weight on the back is that the front wheel can tend to lift on really steep uphills. The solution for a first tour is simply avoid steep uphills.

I've never carried a child on a bike but the average toddler or older will probably weigh as much as a typical touring load. and will be sitting higher if in a child seat, thus increasing any balance/stability issues. I'd have thought the trailer would be the best option but others wil have more experience of this.

Re: Before Pulling In For Car - Indicate or Not ?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 15 May 2016 - 6:54am
I'm with Vorpal regarding simply looking back. I find that cars are generally uncomfortable trying to overtake unless they know you've seen them. So I block the road and ignore them until getting to a passing place, then move to the side while glancing over my shoulder. Almost all drivers take this as an invitation to come past - many wave in thanks despite me not having explicitly invited the overtake. It also has the advantage (especially on step climbs) that you can keep both hands on the bars.

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Re: Janet Street Porter

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 15 May 2016 - 5:53am
Thanks for that! Read a lot of that Wiki link, now I'm really depressed, if half of it is true, we really have got no chance of changing attitudes!!

Re: or in the air - speed trap gets its man?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 15 May 2016 - 5:50am
There is an urban legend about a police speed trap unit that picked up something doing over 300mph - that was the reading on the display before the machine stopped working. A couple of seconds later a Tornado jet goes screaming overhead. The police complain to the RAF about their now defunct speed trap. The RAF apologised saying the plane in question had been flying a low level warfare exercise and had detected a 'ground based radar threat' which it neutralised with electronic counter measures. Had the plane been flying a 'weapons hot' exercise it would have dispatched a missile as well.

Re: First cycle tour - kit advice

Take what you'd take for backpacking. Simple as that. (OK add in an inner tube or two, bike pump and allen keys etc).

A pair of rear panniers come to about 42 litres - so a medium-sized backpack. If you need a bit more put a dry bag on the top ofbthe rack.

Most people you see out on the road don't use front panniers.

I'd suggest having a system where you put things back into the same pannier every time - otherwise you risk going mad playing 'which bag is it in?' when you need something.

I use a 50mm webbing strap to secure my panniers and provide some extra support. But so far as I can see I'm the only person in the entire world who does this.

Re: Janet Street Porter

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 15 May 2016 - 12:45am
I was quite surprised to find this:


AFAICS It covers all Street-Porter's criticisms and concerns and explains why she and others hold what are, after all, quite peculiar views. The negative attention currently given to cycling and the obsession about helmets is really rich ground for some psychological research but I think Wikipedia has got it broadly covered. I like the idea that drivers blame cyclists for the congestion caused by, well, drivers and that drivers feel that cyclists should wear helmets to protect them from the dangers created by, well, drivers. The chair of the discussion was clearly unable to see the irony of it all, if not the hilarity.

Re: One bike for climbing, one for descending?

Cycling UK Forum - Racing - 14 May 2016 - 11:37pm
I'm pretty sure I saw Sir Brad 'swap' bike cause of a mechanical issue during a TdF mountain ITT but can't find anything on Youtube.

Re: One bike for climbing, one for descending?

Cycling UK Forum - Racing - 14 May 2016 - 10:03pm
My understanding is that the rules don't allow for a pre-prepared changeover - i.e. someone waiting at a pre-arranged spot with a bike - so the rider will have to signal to their team car, which on a mountain stage is a very variable thing time wise as team cars can get stuck some distance behind riders.

The bike change strategy has, however, been used a few times on mountain time trial stages that don't have a summit finish to switch from a climbing bike to a TT bike at the crest of the main/final climb - the rider still has to signal for service but they will have their own car following immediately behind & the changeover will have been pre-planned - to take advantage of the aero advantage of a TT bike on the fast finish.


Re: First cycle tour - kit advice

Cycling UK Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 May 2016 - 10:00pm
Cant use front panniers, no rack mount points. That is a potential issue I think. Everything will be on the rear rack apart from bar bags. Not sure if that is going to be ok or not.

I think we would go for a local ride fully loaded to get the feel for it. Mind you my partner is experienced having done some adventurous stuff overseas on self supported trips. Used an MTB with only rear rack and bar bag apparently. I guess is is ok but my bike is probably not as fogiving as a MTB (it is one of those so called adventure / gravel bikes I think).

Re: or in the air - speed trap gets its man?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 14 May 2016 - 9:57pm
gaz wrote:mercalia wrote:Police snap parrot going at 1.5 times speed limit
Probably not a Norwegian Blue. Not the fastest of birds your Norwegian Blue .

Though beautiful plumage,even when reclining

Re: First cycle tour - kit advice

Whatever you decide to take, it is well worth having a trial run to a local camp site. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the bikes loaded and will help you sort out the best way to pack the bikes and check to see if anything doesn't work. It may also help in planning daily distances etc. Four panniers (plus rack top etc.) should be enough since some of the bigger things like tent and stove etc. can be shared.

Re: or in the air - speed trap gets its man?

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 14 May 2016 - 9:33pm
mercalia wrote:Police snap parrot going at 1.5 times speed limit
Probably not a Norwegian Blue. Not the fastest of birds your Norwegian Blue .

Re: Cycling opportunity Keswick -Kendal

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 14 May 2016 - 9:22pm
jgurney wrote:Tangled Metal wrote:the road has been opened.

An e-mail headed 'Cumbria is Open!' from Independent Hostels Guide turned out to be about this - no-one would gather from reading it that cyclists and bus travelers have in fact been passing that way for months.
The 'Cumbria is Open' logo has been in use since December to inform people who may have been looking to go to the area over the festive period but would be put off thinking the whole area was no go due to the floods.

First cycle tour - kit advice

First tour, camping on sites, new area to us but we looking at a national cycle route (C&C up the Northumberland coast or similar) and we're experienced backpackers/campers. We'll be taking our kid who will be in a child seat or possibly a child trailer (we have one of those).

Now a lot of camping kit transfers so we have stove, pots etc. sorted. Indeed we are more than spoilt for choice on that front (I've had a stove habit from my wildcamping/backpacking past). We have sleeping bags, mats and wicking clothing too (not cycling specific though I am planning on getting cycling baggies with padded inner shorts).

So, what to take? How to pack it? Suggestions?

One difficulty is we are likely to only be able to use four rear panniers, currently have one medium bar bag and a top tube bag. Kit can be lashed to the top of the rear pannier on one bike. That is about all we have to carry the kit unless we take a trailer (combined child and kit). I am worried that all the kit on the rear pannier may affect handling. What is your opinion on that? BTW both bikes will not have the necessary front rack attachment points. Whilst there are front rack solutions that can be used with unsuitable forks we are unlikely to spare the cash to buy these expensive solutions. I was wondering if a bikepacking bag might be a good idea perhaps even a frame bag. What's your view on this?

BTW the bikes will have either front suspension or carbon forks. Not real touring bikes but we are not yet into serious touring but if we like this we may end up with a more suitable touring bike. We're all about owning only one bike due to money and storage so thi means we have bikes that suited our use but now are not ideal for touring.

So any general advice? Pointers, suggestions for kit that you consider worth getting, the go to kit, etc.?? BTW we are part way there with ortlieb rear panniers. Mine have the older fittings which means tool adjustment.

Re: New Route Planner

Thanks to everyone for the really useful feedback. Sorry to hear that the panning was causing problems for some people - fingers crossed it is fixed now.

To answer a few questions. It's not a commercial project, maybe one day. Gobybike is a limited company, but only because the Job Centre insisted on it for a New Enterprise Allowance grant, when my old College went bust and I was made redundant halfway through the teaching year. So I've also registered to comply with the Data Protection Act. I understand your fears about spam (I wish my students were as cautious,last week I got so carried away I ended up comparing Facebook to the Stasi )

Please feel free to play as much as you like - you only need an account to save and download. It also gives access to the User Profile, which allows some filtering & customisation. The e-mail address is requested so if you forget your password, you can reset it automatically. I didn't want people locked out sending me e-mails when I was away on tour!

Not sure of the etiquette (I've been a member for years, but mostly just a lurker on this board), but happy to start a new thread if the mods are happy for me to do so. Right at the beginning of this one, Richard suggested otherwise.

Re: Janet Street Porter

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 14 May 2016 - 8:08pm
ANTONISH wrote:And there are no cycling bullies riding through red lights on pedestrian crossings and riding too fast on shared use paths or cycling on dedicated pedestrian paths ?

But of course,and they need taking to task for it.
But one things for sure,they don't do anywhere near the damage to life and limb as the motorists who flout the law do,and get away with it daily.If not with the approval of the authorities then certainly the lack of adequate policing and penalties for such offenders.

Re: Sally Shalloe

Cycling UK Forum - On the road - 14 May 2016 - 7:21pm
So manslaughter carries a two year tariff, utterly ridiculous. We need to remove the ridiculous system that massively reduces sentences on the basis that soneone is using a motorvehicle as their choice of weapon.
Also people whom injure others whilst operating a vehicle should have tracking devices installed for the first two years afterwards.

Re: Lightweight touring - How much can you pack in the bags?

Apparently, the bend is to help put the rider's weight a bit farther back because of the big wheels and long wheel base and possibly to allow clearance when using fat tyres, though these are the fattest he's got at the moment.
The saddle drops as much as it need to ( not all the way) by opening the quick release seat post clamp.
Me, I take the pictures, write the stories and ride. I know little about such things. Too busy worrying about my weight.

Re: Lightweight touring - How much can you pack in the bags?

Oh well you live and learn.
Someone with technical acumen will explain that.
Probably just fashion.
How do you drop the saddle
My newest bike is a 2001 skip trainer built up with used parts, so what do I know..............
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