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Re: Tram lines...

10 May 2016 - 6:27pm
Grandad wrote:The art is to make sure you cross at no less than 45 degrees, the other traffic is often not keen on giving you the space

Which makes them totally unsuitable for cyclistsWhich makes them totally unsuitable for certain places in certain towns and certain cites.
Not .......... makes them totally unsuitable universally.

Re: Fed up!

10 May 2016 - 6:23pm
Chill pills?

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 5:27pm
She is right about some cyclists behaviour, its often appalling
Agreed - but I was walking down a pavement the other day and a pedestrian, texting on their phone walked right into me and they don't even need an MOT to walk around town - I think its diabolical - they should have to take a walking test etc etc etc etc etc

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 5:27pm
This discussion was simply about congestion in one of the most congested cities in the world and how cycles are displacing vehicles. Before making any long journey these days I usually consult Google Maps which clearly shows congested places which can often be avoided. This article is interesting. Can the 'internet of moving things' end traffic jams? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36215293 But as we all know things will still get gridlocked if there is just too much traffic and it will come..

As for London, compared with Delhi, Beijing Lima and Santiago which I have been to in recent years, its a paradise as far as traffic flows are concerned. I liked the traffic light countdowns in foreign cities. Everyone knows how long they will have to wait which helps control frustration. Then, there is the Beijing solution - odd and even number plates banned on alternate days. The well orf will avoid it with two cars!

As for the Plod, yes, where are they? Answer… dealing with an increasing number of domestics according to my Plod pals.

Al

Re: Advance cycle traffic light spotted in London

10 May 2016 - 5:17pm
They've forgotten the countdown lights!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GkCJArNfNY

iviehoff wrote:My issue with this cycle light was knowing precisely what manoeuvres it permits. There is a N/S bicycle route at this junction - is it only permitting me to turn into the bicycle route, or can I also take other exits from the junction?
You can take any exit because the green light permits you to cross the associated stop line. Beware other traffic entering the junction, though, as the designers may not have been expecting you. Oxford had a so-called "conflicting greens" junction a while ago and it seemed to cause some confusion - I'm not sure if they're rephased it since.

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 5:13pm
The silver lining from JSP is that I've read in three places so far that people have changed their views because she took ideas to their logical-yet-absurd conclusion and it horrified them. Two places it was people giving up helmets, and in one it was people realising bike-MOTs are a really bad idea.

Re: Falling Off

10 May 2016 - 5:10pm
karlt wrote:Or some people being inherently less co-ordinated than others. That would seem the most likely cause.
I'd file that under "misjudgement". It happens, but seems much rarer than the big three causes I mentioned. Heck, I was near the last-picked for sports too and I've managed to run myself over more than once , but I still don't fall off much!

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 5:04pm
al_yrpal wrote:Londoners know that its a barmy idea to try to use a car to get around London. I am surprised she objects to only 12 miles of cycle highways. She is right about some cyclists behavior, its often appalling, but just about anyone can pick up a Boris bike. It tars us all with the same brush. As for taxis, everyone knows they have their own rules. They should be the preserve of people with mobility problems, there are just far too many of them. They are a major cause of congestion. A badly chaired debate.

Al

Everyone knows about cyclists behaviour,they have their own rules

There's something can be done about that.
Effective Policing.... .....Oh! wait,we can't afford them now with being so poor an' all .

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 4:50pm
Londoners know that its a barmy idea to try to use a car to get around London. I am surprised she objects to only 12 miles of cycle highways. She is right about some cyclists behavior, its often appalling, but just about anyone can pick up a Boris bike. It tars us all with the same brush. As for taxis, everyone knows they have their own rules. They should be the preserve of people with mobility problems, there are just far too many of them. They are a major cause of congestion. A badly chaired debate.

Al

Re: Advance cycle traffic light spotted in London

10 May 2016 - 4:47pm
foxyrider wrote:Is there a sign to explain to the mopeds, taxis and buses that it's not for them? There are lots of them across Europe all respected by the other traffic. We can't even keep other traffic out of ASL's (why is it that at normal stop lines no cars will go the line but they must encroach on the ASL box?)
I don't think the other kinds of traffic will misinterpret a green light in the shape of a bicycle. I was a bit surprised by it, as I sometimes am by left filter lights, because there is no corresponding red and amber. I regularly use a junction with left filter and I still sometimes overlook it. My issue with this cycle light was knowing precisely what manoeuvres it permits. There is a N/S bicycle route at this junction - is it only permitting me to turn into the bicycle route, or can I also take other exits from the junction?

It's a sufficiently long time since I've been to Switzerland I can't remember how they do theirs, and google doesn't want to help me remember.

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 4:24pm
The woman jumped the shark a long time ago, alas.

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 4:21pm
The time someone called her Manic Street-Preacher seems even more appropriate now.

Re: Falling Off

10 May 2016 - 4:20pm
Or some people being inherently less co-ordinated than others. That would seem the most likely cause. I was eight before I could ride a bike and still occasionally make a pigs ear of mounting and make an exhibition of myself. Probably significant that I was also the klutz no-one wanted on their team at school because I couldn't kick in a straight line, catch or hit any kind of ball with any kind of bat.

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 4:10pm
Damn! Thought you were going to tell us she'd died. Horrible woman. Even endorses and defends the production of veal. Still, life needs people like her - sufficiently wrong to help define right.

I'm afraid I can't watch it or I'll use up my fast-diminishing monthly mobile broadband allowance, but that's a good enough excuse.

Re: Falling Off

10 May 2016 - 4:03pm
I think the only completely unprovoked fall I've had since learning to ride was when I was weaving, trying to clean mud off my tyres, and left the tarmac. I've had another fall when I rode on ice when I should have either used spiked tyres or waited for it to warm up. Finally, I've had various things that I'd call crashes (another bike hit me, I rode into a car and so on) which generally ended up with my upright.

So I don't really understand the trend for falling off. I've seen lots of other people fall, though, both from riding in a group and riding in busy places. Rather than blaming the bike type, I would attribute most of them to foolhardiness (I've got a helmet on so I'm invincible), foolishness (clipping in too readily) or stubbornness (the other road user should give way!), with freak incidents and misjudgements making up most of the remaining non-collision ones. My view may be skewed because I rode a road bike for many years, though.

Re: Janet Street Porter

10 May 2016 - 3:27pm
There seemed to be quite a range of stress levels between the members of the panel, I wonder if it was linked to their favoured mode of transport?

Re: Tram lines...

10 May 2016 - 3:19pm
I've raised it with the council but they don't give a flying one
Publicly via press and social media invite some of them to join you on a ride.......during the rush hour

Re: Falling Off

10 May 2016 - 3:12pm
The mention of potholes reminds me....

One of my more amusing 'offs' - my wife and I had come to a flooded stretch of road, and several other cyclists turned up while we were pondering what to do. In a moment of supreme foolishness, I brazenly remarked "it doesn't look that deep", flipped to a low gear, and set forth into the flood....

The golden rule that I'd forgotten is, if the road is flooded you can't see the potholes. And down I went, to the exultant amusement of all those watching. At least the water cushioned my fall, so the main thing bruised was my ego. I then had to endure a very cold and wet ride home....

Lesson learnt.

Re: Advance cycle traffic light spotted in London

10 May 2016 - 2:20pm
iviehoff wrote:Anyone seen any others, or is this a first?

There's been one at the notorious Bow Roundabout for a year or so... Just a shame most of the traffic on that roundabout jumps the red lights during rush hour anyway making it of dubious benefit.

Re: Falling Off

10 May 2016 - 1:49pm
I say 'twitchy' because that's what most people seem to say when they mean 'very responsive'. On a road bike, on actual roads, I don't really 'steer' round bends or turns, I just adjust my weight, and allow the bike to 'steer' itself, which I like. It's a bit like riding a really good, soft mouthed and balanced horse, you steer with your weight, not the reins. A riding school plod you may have to drag around turns with the reins as its mouth will be as hard as iron and it has had to adjust to novice riders who lean the wrong way all the time (as Terry Prachett used to say pillion riders 'since the dawn of time' do).

If you were used to a big heavy bike with less responsive geometry and you tried to 'steer' mine in the same way you were used to doing, you probably would fall off rather a lot.
 
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