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Fill the hole website

20 May 2016 - 1:23pm
Mick F wrote:If I were to report every pothole I see locally, I'd be on the site permanently.

I was taught the moon was made of cheese. It isn't. Somerset's roads are [emoji853]

Re: Fill the hole website

20 May 2016 - 11:21am
Mick F wrote:It's been years since I reported any.

Today, out for a ride, I counted 21 potholes between Tavistock town centre in the affluent county of Devon to the county border. 4.5miles of A390.
From the border over the bridge into the EU Objective One funded county of Cornwall to the village of Gunnislake, I counted 25 potholes. This is still the A390 but this distance is only half a mile.

Report 'em all??????

This is before I even count them on the minor roads.
They are too numerous to count.

Cornwall Council do seem to have a lot of money available for the up-keep of the highways. When I went back at Easter, on Good Friday there was a huge road sweeper cleaning a lane (which appeared pretty clean already) on the outskirts of Troon (population ~ 5000). Anything to do with double time?

Re: Sally Shalloe

20 May 2016 - 11:10am
It was said on the TV report that street furniture did play a part in the collision. There a large grey cabinet on the central reservation, that obscures the view of traffic in the outside lane for anyone waiting to cross at the toucan crossing. So the cyclist waiting to cross, couldn't see the approaching motorcyclist and vice versa. You can see the cabinet in the 3rd photo in this report:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-36286775

No excuse for the totally irresponsible motorcyclist though.

Re: Fill the hole website

20 May 2016 - 9:32am
Fill that hole is good in that you don't have to know the authority to deal with, it handles that for you. Having said that I posted that a 100yd section of a major A-road( dual carriageway ) was in serious disrepair and potentially dangerous. About 2 weeks later I receieved an email via fill that hole, "Dear Mr Windbag the road in question is not part of our authorized network you must contact the highways agency". I thought sod it I'm not chasing around when you could forward my email, then about a week later the whole 1-200yd section was resurfaced, and repainted . On a dualled A-road I think it was either a good response from those responsible or my timing fitted with their plans anyway?

Beyond that I responded to a repair on fill that hole via the email reply saying leave comments about the work done. I did as the repair was comlete rubbish, I then got an email from CTC saying the authority wouldn't have seen my response as they don't go through...... ehhh? So not sure about that part of it.

Re: Fill the hole website

20 May 2016 - 8:46am
mjr wrote:Fix my street emails me every month to ask if reported problems have been fixed. Highways have an incentive to mark things as fixed regardless.
My problem is remembering where the ones I've reported were. If on a ride you report 10, then 10 next ride, 10 next, remembering to note in the 1st 10 have been repaired a month later is beyond me (without turning it into a massive administrative task).

Certainly on Fill My Hole website Norfolk were never marking any repairs they made as having been repaired. The site does have rankings, and I'd have thought the Council would be keen to look good on the rankings. But if they are not aware of the rankings or if the site has too low a profile or it is just a fiddle to make complete I guess the extra work isn't worthwhile.

Ian

Re: Sally Shalloe

20 May 2016 - 8:15am
A very sad case. And so ridiculously unnecessary. I have often wondered at the mentality of motorcyclists who ride like that. It's not all motorcyclists, of course. There are lots of good ones out there. Some cyclists I know are motorcyclists. But there is a tribe of lunatic motorcyclists who seem to see their activity as a sort of video game, dodging, diving and positively embracing risk. Risk is the thrill. And because of that I don't think the length of sentences will make one iota of difference to their behaviour. They risk their own lives with what they do, so why would prison deter them? What might influence them is increasing the chances of getting caught. Detection. I hope that GPS devices might help with that in the not too distant future. Imagine if every motor vehicle had a "black box" constantly reporting position and speed. Spot checks at motorcyclists cafes on bank holidays to deal with anyone not carrying an active device. It may strike some as "snooping", but I don't care about that if it protects our loved ones from the nutters.

Re: Fill the hole website

20 May 2016 - 7:47am
Fix my street emails me every month to ask if reported problems have been fixed. Highways have an incentive to mark things as fixed regardless.

Re: Fill the hole website

19 May 2016 - 10:49pm
Tangled Metal wrote:Forgive me but why disrupt your ride? I pick a few bad ones or those that are part of a run of holes that I consider to be together. I then remember where they are as I keep riding. I then use Google maps that's part of the reporting site to mark the approximate site. I also put in the comments bit a brief description of their location. I figure they'll drive along the section and see the problem from that. I don't see why you need to even slow down more than you needed to in order to safely negotiate the pothole.

I report as many as I am confident of describing the accurately enough. Then the next ride I'll pick some more do it in bits on each ride but no need to stop. They'll not expect measurements, photographs or a truly accurate description.
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I initially tried that but we have so many and remembering I was too "greedy"- I'd remember a few, see some worse ones and add those, then forget which corner the 5th one was on then see a really terrible one ...

In fact it was pretty bad even remembering which ones I had reported (when out riding) having used the Smartphone (as the app does/did not show you existing reports and so many re-appear within a month of repair. I ended up reporting a load in each direction, waiting a long enough to expect them repaired (or until I spotted recent repairs) then that direction was re-reported and if they got a duplicate then they should have fixed it on the previous report. (When you have reported lists at 300+ remembering them is too much for me.

Measurements can be important as my main local Highways have certain "thresholds" on repair times. From memory, if it was 4" deep then it took a higher priority than <4", etc. But I never exaggerated (you (and the system) would quickly lose credibility if you kept reporting it as a sinkhole and when they arrived they found a 6"x6"x0.5" hole. I tended to include my foot in the photos so they'd get an estimate of size and add a depth if it was 4" or deeper.

I don't know what the report to the Highways contains, but one great weakness of these systems is clearing down fixed holes. It would be great if the e-mail to Highways reporting the hazard also included a web link for them to click to record the hazard as fixed (bit like those registration verification e-mails. It it is real easy to clear the fault I'd hope they would take the few moments to improve their ranking in the system. This sort of think takes the operator of the system to communicate a bit with Highways. Ideally Highways would use Open311 systems which would make life easy to report and for people to check on progress.

Ian

Re: Driverless cars in UK this year

19 May 2016 - 9:57pm
Don't get me wrong but i do not totally dismiss the idea of co-owned whistle up when needed driverless cars, that are stored in some sort of peripheral car park.... but do wonder just how regimented a system this could be......
My life is not regimented, we can go off out for the day; ok for example a couple of weeks back.. went to a tandem race we had intended to perhaps go out for a ride afterwards, but weather was a bit yeuk, and i had damaged my elbow in a fall the previous day... we changed plans at whim, went off to Flamborough short walk before it rained, mosied on home on a spontaneously chosen route, called in at A+E Bolton to confirm damage to elbow....
How progammable or unprogrammable would such cars be???
Are we heading to a 1984 society where we live a regimented life style and the car turns up to take us to our destination by one route only and choice and deviation is taken away......

And yes you should know by now that i like to provoke thought by playing devils advocate....

Re: Fill the hole website

19 May 2016 - 9:14pm
Forgive me but why disrupt your ride? I pick a few bad ones or those that are part of a run of holes that I consider to be together. I then remember where they are as I keep riding. I then use Google maps that's part of the reporting site to mark the approximate site. I also put in the comments bit a brief description of their location. I figure they'll drive along the section and see the problem from that. I don't see why you need to even slow down more than you needed to in order to safely negotiate the pothole.

I report as many as I am confident of describing the accurately enough. Then the next ride I'll pick some more do it in bits on each ride but no need to stop. They'll not expect measurements, photographs or a truly accurate description.

As to the value of it I can only say that the ones patched up this way seem pretty decent. Not 100% perfect but a lot better than what was there before. Plus they've held up nicely for a year or more in some cases without failing. They've made my commute a little smoother. Over this winter a.stretch on my.commute got bad. Previously it was ok. I've reported them. Because they're on a main road where it's narrow and twisty with doubt white centre lines I reckon they'll check it out and consider repairs quickly. Wait and see if anything happens.

Re: Fill the hole website

19 May 2016 - 8:58pm
One major advantage (for me) with these smartphone apps over direct reporting to Council is that my rides cover 3 different highways authorities and I have no idea where the boundaries are. Often I will know I'm now definitely in <x> Highway Authority area, but quite a bit is harder to know. So the smartphone apps work out from the location which Highway Authority covers the location and reports it to the appropriate authority - when I used to report them, this was a great time saver. Plus a lot quicker filling in details at the hazard (incl a photo) than re-entering details later.

Ian

Re: Fill the hole website

19 May 2016 - 8:21pm
I reported a rather dangerous pothole through the council app.

This one was on a roundabout, not big enough to trouble a car but plenty big enough for a bike and right on the line a bike would take. Reported Wednesday night, cycled that way Friday morning (it was still there Thursday) and the pothole had been well repaired. Was actually quite impressed.

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Re: Driverless cars in UK this year

19 May 2016 - 7:10pm
The completely self-driving car is dramatic and obvious and will certainly encounter resistance both from passengers afraid to trust it and from millions whose jobs are threatened. But your car already takes over a lot of driving functions. Some of them are fairly obvious and minor: some cars have features which decide when to turn on wipers and lights, for instance. But most we don't even think of in this category, though that's what they are. Instead they are presented to us as 'driver aids': like parking sensors, anti-lock brakes and wheel-spin controllers. These will become more and more advanced until there's so little for the driver to do it's not worth doing anything. Other than enthusiasts, of course.

Curiosity and the joy of the internet

19 May 2016 - 6:49pm
I have seen an "advert" on the BBC lately for programs etc. It consists of a middle aged man talking about how many galaxies fit within the eye of his spanner, as he builds a wheel. The shop looked a classic old school cycle shop and out of curiosity I wondered where it could be, it was definitely real as vehicles were passing the window. I could see out of the window a shop named "Bangla ca", but that was all. Anyway I thought it must be cafe and did an internet search..... this did lead to a place in london but streetview showed nothing resembling the shop front. Anyway I've just seen it again and could see "fur" just below the main name.... so I thought furniture.

Sure enough the shop is Bangla Carpets and Furniture and is located in Bethnal Green road. A trip to streetview and a 180 degree spin around and there was the mystery bike shop, its Isambaards Cycles probably known to people in that neck of the woods. Really looks an old school bike shop.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5252701,-0.0708304,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6fm5P-8AwQE_nsEEmzWC0g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

What a brilliant resource we have in the internet, a few clicks of detective work and curiosity satisfied . The kids today don't realise how hard that would have been to do 30yrs ago .

Re: Driverless cars in UK this year

19 May 2016 - 6:36pm
There could be a lot more cars in a driverless car park though, bumper to bumper, door to door, just need to figure out the best way of them being arranged, though this would depend on probability of them being needed soon I suppose. If all cars were driverless, roads could be a lot narrower, pavements/gardens bigger.

Re: Fill the hole website

19 May 2016 - 4:38pm
Psamathe wrote:I used to report loads. But then they took ages to repair and the repairs were as bad as the holes.


I think I'm in the same boat as Ian. I reported many potholes and defects, some were done within 1-2 weeks others took up to 6 months( possibly related to no budget left until new financial year ). The repairs were third rate, in fact irish travellers would have done a better job and we know their reputation.

I think if you put wording such as "this defect is likely to kill a cyclist" it may alert them to respond quickly. I sometimes see the survey van that goes around using ultrasound I think to map the road surface and all defects that need fixing. Obviously it's on a planned schedule so in between reporting is required, it'd be best to send council operatives out on bikes and they'd see the reality of the situation. Utility companies are responsible for many problems, their reinstatement of the road surface leaves a lot to be desired. On fill that hole I left a comment on a report "even the luftwaffe didn't damage our roads to the extent our utility companies do".

Interestingly a road near me was in a shocking state for all the years I've lived here, then the tour of britain comes. A few weeks before whole sections of the road were replaced with perfect tarmac sections.... and I mean really flat and smooth, so it can be done but it was ok for all other cyclists in the years before to risk their necks on it . Also recently other sections of the same road with the tiniest of defects have been arrowed and highlighted for repair? Why, well there is a huge open cast application pending and it seems as much as there is huge local objection it may simply be a done deal, hence the road improvements for heavy traffic. What a world we live in.

Re: Driverless cars in UK this year

19 May 2016 - 4:30pm
While , I think technically the idea of driverless cars is great . I can sit in the back of my car and read a paper , will hopefully take out the driver aggression to cyclists and other road users and allow a more efficient road system etc . I just dont see it happening for at least 50 years. Why , because of human nature will not trust it. We could of had driverless trains . A much easier proposition but the only line using it in the UK is Dockland Light Railway and then still with someone to be responsible for door closing . Birmingham Airport to the train station has a short one that is fully automatic

Pilot less aircraft would be pretty easy . autopilot already does 90 percent, but we still have not one but 2 pilots on each aircraft. pilot error is a major cause of aircraft accidents

Cars are far more complex to program . But the usual rule with technology is it will take far longer to achieve than thought but have a far greater effect than envisaged

Re: Sally Shalloe

19 May 2016 - 4:29pm
Lives wasted. Tragic+++

Re: Fill the hole website

19 May 2016 - 3:56pm
Psamathe wrote:Only thing I found worked was adding a comment along the lines of "3rd time of reporting so maybe time to get my local Councillor on the case ?" and then it would be done within the week - but you'd still have to avoid the repaired patch.

So why disrupt your ride and achieve very little. Yet I do still feel that I ought to be reporting them.
Actually, it sounds like you should see if you can get your local councillor to work on reforming the Norfolk Transport Asset Management Plan because it's clearly not working for cycling (yet again).

Re: Fill the hole website

19 May 2016 - 3:28pm
We live on a steep narrow lane, and 20years ago they resurfaced it.
Great eh?
Nope, coz they've done very little to it since.

Because of all the rains we had last autumn/winter, the holes that had appeared over the years got worse.
I got in touch with Cornwall Highways and let them know about the issues.
I had a nice polite reply, but was told that the steward(?) would be looking generally and would report any problems. A few months later, SOME of the holes were filled ............... and I could have done a better job of it.

Therefore, I reckon three things:
1. There's not enough money to repair the roads properly .......................... despite Objective One funding for Cornwall.
2. There's a steward employed to do his rounds and keep an eye on the roads .......... just like they employ people to check on street-lights and road signs.
3. Fill That Hole only raises the existing problems that they already know about. Maybe it gets your pet problem to the top of the pile.
 
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