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Re: New Route Planner

18 May 2016 - 11:35am
Not sure the best way to give you the details but here goes!

So here are the route instructions:
18.8mi66.
Turn right onto B6265 Bradford Road
800m
19.3mi 67.
Turn right onto Royd Ings Avenue
900m
19.9mi 68.
Turn left onto Royd Way
200m
20mi major road69.
Turn right onto A650 Hard Ings Road
70m
20mi major road70.
At roundabout take A629 Hard Ings Road (exit 1)


Basically this route is near to Keighley approaching from Riddlesden. The problem is the right turn on to the A650 from Royd Way. No mention of walking or anything.

Googlemaps for the road here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.87632 ... 043597,17z

The streetview of this turn is here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Rid ... 41!6m1!1e1


Don't get me wrong, it wasn't a big issue, just thought it was something worth taking a look at. It is an odd bit of road, basically the A650 single carriageway splits into a dual carriageway for the roundabout and the side road joins this bit of road.

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

18 May 2016 - 9:47am
Spaine70 wrote:...
What I need to know is how do I download the GPX and then export it into a mapping app that I can use on the bike for navigation...
Whilst I think MapOut the best (I've tried several but obviously not all), one thing it does not do is give turn by turn directions and no voice instructions like turn right at the next roundabout" sort of thing.

It can take your gpx and draw it over a map as in .

And remember, you can get a refund on AppStore apps if you report an problem to Apple with a limited time frame. Just Google refund iphone app and plenty of places telling you what to do. It use to be one of the weaknesses of buying apps through AppStore that you could not try 1st to check if it meets your needs. It was a good move when Apple changed their practices.

Ian

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

18 May 2016 - 9:23am
Thank you both for your advice. I think MapOut sounds like the app I will be using in Holland. I will download it this evening and start uploading the GPX files and see how it goes.

Re: Gas cannisters in Holland and Belgium

18 May 2016 - 7:37am
You should be able to find Primus (threaded) cartridges in outdoor stores. If you are passing a big town/city just do a google search for outdoor stores in that town. In Holland I found the Beaver chain of stores useful (http://www.bever.nl/index.cfm/fuseaction/main.shops).

However I also recommend getting the Edelrid Cartridge adaptor for Camping Gaz (http://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/ ... aptor-p454). IME CampingGaz is more widespread in Europe and they have a useful store locator, which works all across Europe, where you can find stockists.

You can probably find them for sale at larger campsites but they do tend to have a high markup.....

Re: Gas cannisters in Holland and Belgium

18 May 2016 - 7:03am
If all else fails there's Decathlon:

http://www.decathlon.nl/gasvulling-powe ... 38931.html

(although hopefully they have larger sizes as well).

But given the number of Dutch people you meet in campsites around Europe there must be lots of other camping goods shops.

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

18 May 2016 - 1:28am
I've got Maps.me android app on my phone, also works on IoS. Download mapping for the area you're travelling to before you go, best over wifi given the size of the maps and then uses GPS to navigate whilst travelling and, Googlemaps offers offline areas too.

http://maps.me/en/home

Re: Long touring without front panniers

17 May 2016 - 11:43pm
FarOeuf wrote:
I would assume when the whole pannier idea was brand new lots of people made very similar (dogmatic) arguments about why they were the devils invention, not least that putting all that weight over the rear wheel (in addition to the rider) was sheer lunacy. But the world kept turning when panniers and racks came along. Now some people are experimenting with soft bags in the pre-pannier style, the world continues to turn. I really don't understand why people get upity/dismissive about strapping a bag onto a bike, I mean people have been doing it for decades...it's hardly a new idea.



I became fixed on four panniers when I loaded up my Super Galaxy twenty years ago with full camping gear and yomped along the A38 in the sunshine: it just felt completely right. I had loads of space, nothing flapped, the bike was as solid as a rock, I knew where all my stuff was, steering untouchable, the centre of gravity of the low-riders beautifully low. 20 kg safely stowed and problem sorted 100%.

I recognise that people have other needs, concerns, requirements - and solutions. But this was a pretty major milestone and one that requires a lot of beating.

Re: New Route Planner

17 May 2016 - 10:53pm
gloomyandy wrote:The biggest was that it routed me to a dual carriageway from a side road. The route wanted me to turn right, but the junction was left turn only. I guess that is a mapping error?

What do the route instructions say? they will sometimes specify "on foot" if the routing decides there isn't a practical alternative that is rideable.

The other issue was that the route choice falls into the "Sustrans trap" of wanting to route you on small roads whenever it can. In my case it wanted me to turn right of a main road to travel 100m or so along a parallel side road before making another right turn back onto the main road! I'd noticed this when I created the route and fixed a few of them, but I must have missed this one. I think this may happen when you drag the route rather then using the original route selection, but I may be wrong!
Yes it can be a bit like that. The latest routing algorithm is much better. The old one I could get literally going round in circles trying to route onto back streets to avoid a "busy" road! There was one bit in Chester (ironically the road with three of the city's bike shops along it) where the old algorithm could make a 1/2 mile direct route into 2.5 miles that still turned on and off the main road as I added via points to try to get it to go where I wanted!

Rick.

Re: New Route Planner

17 May 2016 - 10:52pm
Glad it was (mostly) a success!

I'm guessing the turn was probably a mapping error - if you let me know which turn it was then I can take a look. It might well be the issue Bicycler highlighted where a particular type of turn restriction isn't recognised by OSRM (the underlying engine that cycle.travel uses).

Fussy on-then-off routes are a difficult one to solve. It's less keen on them than it was before - with the most recent update, I made the routes more "sticky", so that once it's on a particular route it has a bias to keeping on it. But if it's a busy road it'll still try to spend as little time on it as possible. I suspect the solution here might be to really penalise right turns onto busy roads.

I'll put it on the to-do list. But not quite yet - I've been working on a fun new feature today which hopefully will be ready before too long...

Gas cannisters in Holland and Belgium

17 May 2016 - 10:46pm
Any advice about the availability of gas cannisters in Holland and Belgium?
Can we hope to find resealable cannisters (e.g. primus) fairly easily? What do other people use?
A trangier is probably not an option, as we need to fit a fairly large pot on the stove (we are a family of four).
Any other stove advice very welcome.

Re: Long touring without front panniers

17 May 2016 - 10:13pm
Rather than buying a new bike you could just replace the suspension fork. Surly have a few suspension corrected forks with front carrier braze-ons. Or you could use any suitable rigid fork and a clamp on or axle-mounted carrier.

Re: New Route Planner

17 May 2016 - 10:10pm
The dual carriageway might be a mapping or routing issue. Richard - does cycle.travel recognise turn restriction relations where the 'via' role is a way rather than a node? Last time I checked I don't think that OSRM did.

Re: Long touring without front panniers

17 May 2016 - 9:48pm
I'm thinking about buying a proper touring bike and mounting front panniers after more than 8,000 miles on this rig.



One reason is to more evenly spread the load for steep climbing, the other is I'll be able to use smaller panniers on the back to enable easier un/hitching of the trailer either side of those infernal motorcycle gates of which some local authorities are so infuriatingly fond.

Option two is, of course, a battery-powered angle grinder.

Re: New Route Planner

17 May 2016 - 8:58pm
So I've cycled for a couple of days "shakedown trip" using routes created by cycle.travel about 60 miles in total, on a mixture of roads and NCN routes. Very pleased with the route chosen. Only a couple of minor problems. The biggest was that it routed me to a dual carriageway from a side road. The route wanted me to turn right, but the junction was left turn only. I guess that is a mapping error? The other issue was that the route choice falls into the "Sustrans trap" of wanting to route you on small roads whenever it can. In my case it wanted me to turn right of a main road to travel 100m or so along a parallel side road before making another right turn back onto the main road! I'd noticed this when I created the route and fixed a few of them, but I must have missed this one. I think this may happen when you drag the route rather then using the original route selection, but I may be wrong!

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

17 May 2016 - 8:06pm
Phileas wrote:I use Viewranger.

As above there are a few methods for importing a gpx file into it including emailing it to yourself and telling the iPhone to open it in your app of choice.

I downlod things into Dropbox which I can then access from within Viewranger.
I used to use ViewRanger (even purchased a load of OS maps from them), but as their app developed it became very clunky. These days whenever you run it for some reason it seems to insist on communicating with their own servers (using data!!).

I find they are focusing far more on social media (sharing things, downloading other peoples tracks, etc. they want you communicating more and more with their servers and I ended-up having to block their domain so my iPhone will not pass anything to/from their servers). I switched to MapOut as I found the mapping far superior (and smaller) and much better performance.

Ian

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

17 May 2016 - 8:01pm
andymiller wrote:That does look like it might a good bet. Thanks Ian.

GB version of the link:

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/mapout/ ... ?l=en&mt=8
It isn't an every bell/whistle app but has what I find very clear rendering giving very readable maps. And for the download size and speed of drawing, the maps zoom to stunning levels of detail.

It has this "pretty" feature where you put it into 3D mode and as you tip the phone so the hills more with a 3D effect giving you an good impression of the hills/mountains of the area being displayed. Probably nice if you are in the highlands but not something I've ever really used.

In terms of importing routes and sending recorded tracks, and mechanism to get the gpx on the iPhone (e-mail yourself, Dropbox, One Drive, Airdrop, Bluetooth, etc., etc.) and you can register with MapOut and e-mail it to <registration name>@mapout.me and the gpx will automatically appear in your list of routes.

Ian

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

17 May 2016 - 7:55pm
I use Viewranger.

As above there are a few methods for importing a gpx file into it including emailing it to yourself and telling the iPhone to open it in your app of choice.

I downlod things into Dropbox which I can then access from within Viewranger.

Re: First cycle tour

17 May 2016 - 6:58pm
Ok, I've come up with a plan.

3 day tour:
Bristol - Abergavenny
- Cardiff (or perhaps Caerphilly or somewhere in general area)
- Bristol

I can decide on the day how far to ride by making use of the various NCNs running up and down the valleys. I'll probably camp at Abergavenny.

Re: iPhone GPS Navigation in Holland

17 May 2016 - 6:24pm
That does look like it might a good bet. Thanks Ian.

GB version of the link:

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/mapout/ ... ?l=en&mt=8

Re: Sri Lanka

17 May 2016 - 6:21pm
Forgot to say. Bill Weir has a few entries on SL on crazyguonabike. I think the one for the north is called something like a swing through the north and east.

Bill used to edit the Arizona handbook and his journals are very detailed.
 
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