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Re: Navigation - Garmin

12 February 2016 - 10:57am
With the etrex series you'll get 50 hours continuous use off a couple of AA lithiums.

For me that would be 50 hours of not being able to read the screen.

Re: Navigation - Garmin

12 February 2016 - 10:50am
MuckyFunster wrote:I registered for Gamin Connect on the mobile app, but haven't really been able to figure it out...[emoji848] it'll come good with time, I'm sure.
I registered on the PC and it was fairly easy to negotiate through the maze. Mapping a route was quite straight forward and editing after wasn't too bad. Usually any problems are down to me so it has to be a simple process.

There is a program called Tyre-to-travel (uses Google Maps) which I use with TomTom for motorbike and car. This now seems to allow cycle route planning and should allow downloading to the Garmin.
http://www.tyretotravel.com

Re: Lonley Planet or Bradt?

12 February 2016 - 10:31am
I'm a fan of Bradt. They didn't do one for a recent purchase of the NL so I had to choose between RG and LP. I borrowed both from my library to make my decision. LP won but it was so marginal. It came down to one map that was useful in there and the humorous narrative...b

Re: Sold secure gold D lock

12 February 2016 - 10:03am
bainbridge wrote:1.38kg is an increase on my 900 gram kryptonite evolution d lock but at least this one can't be opened with a bic pen!

Did you miss out on their recall programme? They replaced my bic-pen special years ago with a brand new key operated lock free of charge.

Re: Best camera for touring

12 February 2016 - 10:02am
PH wrote:Link to my flicker below, I've only ever had one camera at a time, it shouldn't be hard to spot where I changed from a compact to M4/3, though the Panasonic LX5 was a very good compact. I shoot in raw and play with in Lightroom, I like it when a photo captures what it felt like to be somewhere, yet despite a reasonable understanding of the technology and composition my results are unpredictable.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/phbike/

Nice to see the obligatory photo of tents and bikes outside The Crask Inn! (some others I recognize as well!)

I have drastically reduced my camera collection over the last 10 years and although I do have one no-longer-used film camera, I have just one DSLR, one CSC and I will upgrade my compact to the Panasonic DMC TZ100 when it comes out in March I was tempted by the Sony RX100 iv, but the greater zoom on the Panasonic has tilted it for me! I always take my CSC when touring, but I think I would take more photos with a good and easy to access compact camera.

Re: Sold secure gold D lock

12 February 2016 - 9:24am
Says 21.98 now

Re: Lonley Planet or Bradt?

12 February 2016 - 7:16am
Hi Matt. I usually get copies from the local library, then I can have a good look. In Essex we can order for free.

I have a newish Rough Guide that I bought in a charity shop. I also got the latet LP from the library. I decided on the LP and bought it from Amazon.

I have always used LPs and generally prefer their layout, so a bit biased. Nowadays the hotel listings are a bit suspect as they often don't list any real budget options. Can be useful for showing hotel area of a town.

They are still pretty good on history, culture, and sights. Plus transport info if you need it.

I like to have a guidebook mainly for sights and country info.

I haven't looked at a Bradt for years so can't comment.

Re: Best camera for touring

12 February 2016 - 6:49am
Panasonic DMC here, small enough to go in a rear pocket, so handy enough when i want to stop, point and shoot.... Leica lens so good pictures. Oh so different to the days of carrying my big slr around strapped to the back of the saddle, so had to stop, get it unstrapped and off the bike... out of case, point, focus, shoot by which time the particular lighting effect / cloud etc had changed and the scene had changed......

Re: Best camera for touring

11 February 2016 - 11:56pm
Norman H wrote:I long for some manufacture to produce a digital camera with the simplicity of use of the old film cameras.

Exactly!

I am still after a camera that I can carry in my jacket pocket on rides that will give me the quality and ease of use I am after. Ideally an optical viewfinder, a well placed exposure compensation dial, manual and aperture priority modes will suffice, no AF either.

Have looked extensively at the Fuji range. Tempted by a Fuji X100T, but occasionally a zoom is useful. Olympus and Sony make some good models too. But none are to my liking enough. Something like a Leica M would be perfect if lighter, except no where in my budget range! Though the new Leica Q for those who have the budget and don't mind the electronic viewfinder really seems an amazing camera.

For now I don't bother taking a camera on rides unless I am specifically going out photographing when I load the bike up with a ton of gear! But if travelling the choice is either very heavy Nikon DSLRs, or if weight is an issue a really old weatherproof Pentax compact that only shoots jpegs and allows no user control and consequently I don't use it much that all.

Most modern cameras are extremely capable and once people know how to use their model properly will deliver excellent results. But I strongly recommend trying each model out and physically handling them and delving into the menus. A lot are very frustrating to use and may not be set out in an intuitive way for you personally, so try before you buy and do loads of research.

Sold secure gold D lock

11 February 2016 - 11:55pm
Just ordered one of these for 17 pounds:

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Squire-Eiger-Co ... _75671.htm

I need a decent lock because I'll be staying in 3 city centres next tour and can't guarantee a safe place for the bike.

1.38kg is an increase on my 900 gram kryptonite evolution d lock but at least this one can't be opened with a bic pen!

Re: Reivers Route (sustrans route 10)

11 February 2016 - 11:50pm
Here's an excellent journal of the route: https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o= ... =8678&v=2V

Re: Best camera for touring

11 February 2016 - 11:47pm
I recently bought a Panasonic Lumix TZ60 from the Panasonic Outlet on eBay for about £130. It was replacing a Canon PowerShot SX260 which has served me well on travels but the lens/screen were scratched so it was time for an upgrade.

The camera you choose is a personal thing but here are my criteria

* Has a reasonable zoom (20x +) for taking 'travel' style photos
* Image quality is OK
* Small enough to fit in my bar bag
* Cheap enough that I won't be upset if its first outing results in loads of scratches
* Sweep panorama feature
* USB charging, to be compatible with a USB backup battery pack
* Ideally GPS built-in


The zoom requirement excludes my smartphone and the size/cost requirements exclude my Micro 4/3 camera, which takes amazing photos but is overkill for a bike tour IMO.

The TZ60 ticks the boxes for zoom, has sweep panorama and GPS as well as wifi controls which I'm sure I will find useful in future. And as I was able to find one at such a competitive price I couldn't resist.

PS my favourite accessory is a Joby GorillaPod with magnetic feet. Perfect for attaching to signposts to take selfies whilst riding.

Re: Best camera for touring

11 February 2016 - 11:28pm
F70100 wrote:This thread would benefit from some pictures; if you're recommending a camera, show us what it can do...

Would you describe yourself as a photography enthusiast? Do you want to shoot RAW files? Do you only want a point & shoot?

The best camera for touring is influenced by these (and many more factors).

I would describe myself as an enthusiastic photographer; I'm very pleased with my Canon G15. If I lost it I would replace it with a something like an Olympus OM-D E-M10 or Fuji X-T10.

Some G15 images:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/130356579@N02/24526319799/in/datetaken-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/130356579@N02/16250286168/in/datetaken-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/130356579@N02/21844247984/in/datetaken-public/

You have some great pictures there, thanks for sharing.

But I do not think showing pictures is that useful, whereas in this digital world there are big differences in sensors it's the photographer and not the camera after all!

Re: Navigation - Garmin

11 February 2016 - 10:07pm
With the etrex series you'll get 50 hours continuous use off a couple of AA lithiums. The etrex 20 is £101 quid and you can use osm maps for free. USB socket is on broom under rubber flap and can safely be used in heavy rain if running off the Dynamo.

Re: Navigation - Garmin

11 February 2016 - 9:53pm
Thanks for all your replies! I've read them all, and like others have mentioned, one of the main driving forces behind my decision to get a dedicated navigation tool is the battery life on my phone. The mapping apps available for mobiles are brilliant, and I suppose I could have got a recharger pack or something similar so I could top up my phone charge while on the move, but the lure of a new gizmo, I think, won me over. The only decision left was which gizmo to buy.

After having still been in two minds over the Garmin Edge 810 even after reading countless reviews and pondering pondering pondering, I received it through the post yesterday and spent the next wee while being in a "new-gadget-mania". I've unpacked it all and I think I'll likely be keeping it. It seems quite impressive! And it's great to have a new toy!

I got a chance to muck about with it late last night for a few kilometres indoors on the turbo to make sure everything was working as it apparently should and to try and familiarise myself with the layouts. I was supposed to be taking it outdoors for a trial run today, but ended up not doing so as I was let down by my unreliable friends!

Maybe tomorrow, and I'll let you know how I get on with it.

I registered for Gamin Connect on the mobile app, but haven't really been able to figure it out...[emoji848] it'll come good with time, I'm sure.

Re: Best camera for touring

11 February 2016 - 9:33pm
PH wrote:F70100 wrote:This thread would benefit from some pictures; if you're recommending a camera, show us what it can do...

Nice photos, but what this shows is more about the photographer than the camera. Digital in a way makes that less so, the more you take the chances of getting lucky increase, but I know a photographer who uses shots as sparingly as they would if it was the most expensive film and still gets great results. And someone else with a pro level SLR who produces mediocre snapshots.
Link to my flicker below, I've only ever had one camera at a time, it shouldn't be hard to spot where I changed from a compact to M4/3, though the Panasonic LX5 was a very good compact. I shoot in raw and play with in Lightroom, I like it when a photo captures what it felt like to be somewhere, yet despite a reasonable understanding of the technology and composition my results are unpredictable.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/phbike/

I agree with you about digital. Also what this shows is post editing. Doesn't make much sense to compare photos when one person may just be taking jpegs and maybe cropping them at most and somebody else is shooting Raw and spending hours with Lightroom afterwards. Even comparing IQ on DP Review can be tricky. Great photos, though, PH.

Re: Best camera for touring

11 February 2016 - 9:15pm
Almost any modern camera is capable of taking decent pictures so you really need to think about what is important to you (which it sounds like you already have: "easy to handle, light, quick to pick up and shoot with good picture quality and battery life" etc.). I get the impression that you want something small and simple (to operate) so I have ruled out micro four third format and DSLRs (but I could be wrong)

My reckoning is try to get an idea as to how automatic you want your shooting to be and how much control you want to take - will you want to override the camera's decision making and choose/experiment with your own settings or be happy with what the camera decides? If you want to choose your own settings without going through menus, there are some compact cameras with knobs and dials that make changing settings a lot easier - like the Canon G series; there are other compacts that only have automatic 'style' modes. As others have said - decide on things like viewfinder and file formats. If you want a wide range of focal lengths, a super-zoom bridge camera might be more up your street.

Once you've decided on a few key features, I would say go to a shop and try them for size - some brands/models just feel more 'right' and intuitive than others to the individual. As you have said, you want a camera that you are going to handle easily and be quick to shoot with. Cameras are like bikes - some people prefer hub gears over derailleur, some prefer straight bars over drops - both get the job done .

Re: Navigation - Garmin

11 February 2016 - 8:47pm
Ride with GPS has good set of pages on Garmin settings.
If you are using a Garmin for route map navigation, you want to read them.
The default Garmin settings make following a set route more difficult than
it needs to be. Still have not found the "Cake Stop Button", for food stops
leave the Garmin on.

http://ridewithgps.com/help/?cat=9

Re: Best camera for touring

11 February 2016 - 8:07pm
F70100 wrote:This thread would benefit from some pictures; if you're recommending a camera, show us what it can do...

Nice photos, but what this shows is more about the photographer than the camera. Digital in a way makes that less so, the more you take the chances of getting lucky increase, but I know a photographer who uses shots as sparingly as they would if it was the most expensive film and still gets great results. And someone else with a pro level SLR who produces mediocre snapshots.
Link to my flicker below, I've only ever had one camera at a time, it shouldn't be hard to spot where I changed from a compact to M4/3, though the Panasonic LX5 was a very good compact. I shoot in raw and play with in Lightroom, I like it when a photo captures what it felt like to be somewhere, yet despite a reasonable understanding of the technology and composition my results are unpredictable.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/phbike/

Re: Best camera for touring

11 February 2016 - 7:58pm
On my desk are 5 cameras ranging from a Nikon Coolpix 330 to an Olympus OMD. The Nikon has survived two years of abuse but my Olympus 500UZ went for over five years before dying on me, the 600UZ lasted 18 months and one drop killed the Fuji S8000!

The things I look for in a touring camera are the following

Easy to source power - I prefer AA batteries, available almost anywhere
Reasonable zoom function - @ 12 is best I find
Light and easy to hold - i've sometimes had the camera in my hand for several hours
Simple menu - i'm not aiming for art pictures, just reasonable quality images - i've been known to take 10000 pics on a two week tour!
Must fit in my bar bag and jacket pockets - no good saying a haselblad is the best camera if you can't carry it!

Currently the Finepix is the camera that travels with me, it's quite tough, light, cheap and takes most stuff quite adequately. The OMD is nice but it's too complicated for quick shots and heavy too so whilst it's small it's not a tour camera.
 
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